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Margaret-Pawley

A veteran interview with

Margaret Pawley

Margaret Pawley  spent her time in Egypt and Italy helping to code and decode messages.

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About Margaret Pawley

Margaret Pawley was born in Germany to British parents, she moved back to England in her childhood. During the war her father recommended she sign up for the SEO (Secret Operations Executive), thinking her ability to speak German would make her a great asset. She interviewed at Baker street and was accepted, she completed 8 days of training at the FANY cipher school before being sent to Cairo. She worked in the signals office for a while before being sent to Italy. She was stationed there for a couple of months, before someone noticed she could speak German, because of this, she was transferred to an intelligence branch where she began to listen and decode German transmissions so that she could track their movements.

Margaret reflects on the highs and lows of her wartime experience. Deadly illnesses were very common, and she recalls many of her comrades died to sickness. She herself suffered ringworm and jaundice due to the lack of fresh food. However, she also cherishes the friendships she made and the support among her peers. She continued her duties until the war’s end, she was sent to Scotland to assist the injured before being demobbed in December.

She recalls how the FANYs began and the different roles these women had throughout the years. She talks about how it developed into the SOE and how the FANYs were used as a cover for its female operatives. The role of the FANYs was recognised by Major-General Sir Colin McVean Gubbins, acknowledging he couldn’t have run the SOE without the women of FANY.

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Interviewed by:
Martyn Cox
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Jake Woods

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A veteran interview with

Margaret Pawley

Margaret-Pawley

Margaret Pawley  spent her time in Egypt and Italy helping to code and decode messages.

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Pawley, Margaret. A Veteran Interview with Margaret Pawley. Interview by Martyn Cox. Legasee, n.d. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/margaret-pawley/. Accessed 8 Mar. 2026.
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Pawley, M. (n.d.). A Veteran Interview with Margaret Pawley [Interview by Martyn Cox]. Legasee. Retrieved March 8, 2026, from https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/margaret-pawley/
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Pawley, Margaret. n.d.. A Veteran Interview with Margaret Pawley. Interview by Martyn Cox. Legasee. Accessed March 8, 2026. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/margaret-pawley/
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Pawley, M. (n.d.). A Veteran Interview with Margaret Pawley. [Interviewed by Martyn Cox]. Legasee. Available at https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/margaret-pawley/ (Accessed: 8 March 2026)
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Pawley, M. A Veteran Interview with Margaret Pawley [Internet]. Interview by M. Cox. Legasee; n.d. [cited 2026 Mar 8]. Available from: https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/margaret-pawley/
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Joan, a widow who was 11 when war broke out, describes her experience as an evacuee during the war. She remembers the day that war was announced, and seeing all the mothers in the town crying, although she didn't understand why at the time. Joan was evacuated from her home in Gillingham with 3 of her sisters. This was a painful separation, especially since they were not treated well by their two carers in their new home in Chartham. Joan later fell ill with scarlet fever and was put in an isolation hospital for 6 weeks, after which the sisters were taken home to their parents.  Joan recalls her experience being much improved after the family was reunited. She talks of the ‘happy days’ of ‘Digging for Victory’ and sourcing items for the local barracks. Although food was rationed, Joan remembers her mother reserving her meat ration so the family could have a Sunday roast. She also recalls using condensed milk instead of jam to make a tasty sandwich, and the jubilation on the days when boats of bananas and oranges managed to get through. She also speaks with fondness of the time spent in the Anderson air raid shelter in their garden, where they spent most of their nights. She relates happy memories of sing-alongs with their Irish neighbour who often joined them, and recalls often staying up all night talking and laughing- ‘I can’t say they were sad days… we were a community really.’ Although she doesn’t recall being scared of the bombing, the memory of Gillingham bus depot being bombed and setting the sky alight has stuck with her. Joan talks about the pub her father took over in 1942, where she worked as a barmaid. She recalls the celebrations of VE Day, when people sang and danced all night. It was shortly after this that her future husband walked into the pub after being demobbed from the Navy. They married and moved to Scotland, but he re-joined the Navy after 9 years, and she fondly recalls her years as a Navy wife.  Joan’s story reminds us of the often painful experience of evacuation, as well as the spirit of community inspired by the Blitz.
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