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A veteran interview with

Leo Hatcher

Leo gives a superb, detailed account of his time as a rigger on Sunderland Flying boats on the Berlin Airlift. Flying with 235 Squadron

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Leo Hatcher shares his memories as a young Royal Air Force (RAF) conscript in 1947 aged eighteen. With an older brother already in the RAF as an engine fitter, Leo was inspired to do the same. He instead became an airframe technician, or ‘rigger’, on the Sunderland flying boats (also known as the Short Sunderland).

Stationed at Finkenwerder near Hamburg, Germany, supporting the Allied Forces’ post-war operations in June 1948, he recalls witnessing first-hand the utter devastation wreaked upon German cities from the air.  In contrast to the tensions between the Allied Forces and the Soviet Union in Berlin, he remembers the friendliness of Berliners who would gather on the beach of Lake Wannsee to watch the Sunderlands come and go.

Told with warmth and poignancy, Leo’s reflection of his role during the Berlin Airlift offers a vivid account of what it was like to fly in one of these iconic aircraft, in addition to describing the logistics of delivering vital aid to a divided city.

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Interviewed by:
Martin Bisiker
Reviewed by:
Dani Cole

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Leo gives a superb, detailed account of his time as a rigger on Sunderland Flying boats on the Berlin Airlift. Flying with 235 Squadron

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Hatcher, Leo. A Veteran Interview with Leo Hatcher. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, 26 Jan. 2013 https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/leo-hatcher/. Accessed 21 Jul. 2026.
APA Style:
Hatcher, L. (2013, January 26). A Veteran Interview with Leo Hatcher [Interview by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee. Retrieved July 21, 2026, from https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/leo-hatcher/
Chicago Style:
Hatcher, Leo. 2013. A Veteran Interview with Leo Hatcher. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, January 26. Accessed July 21, 2026. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/leo-hatcher/
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Hatcher, L. (2013). A Veteran Interview with Leo Hatcher. [Interviewed by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee, 26 January. Available at https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/leo-hatcher/ (Accessed: 21 July 2026)
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Hatcher, L. A Veteran Interview with Leo Hatcher [Internet]. Interview by M. Bisiker. Legasee; 2013 Jan 26 [cited 2026 Jul 21]. Available from: https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/leo-hatcher/
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