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A veteran interview with

Frances McLaren

Frances has an amazing story to share. She worked for the Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment which famously developed the bouncing bomb

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About Frances McLaren

As an evacuee, Frances McLaren was unable to go to university after leaving school at 18. Instead, on the advice of a friend’s father, she joined the Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment, and so began her remarkable career.

After completing her training, Frances started off in the lab, working on the development of hull launching tanks on seaplanes and landplanes, before progressing to flight tests in the Sunderland flying boats. Her career went from strength to strength and she talks in detail about her central role in one of Britain’s greatest bombing missions, the Dambusters Raid, and her work on the top-secret Highball (bouncing bomb) experiments.

Frances was also involved in other experimental projects including those focused on survival, with one in particular being the development of flotation devices for planes ditching in water. She recalls with humour how she had to cajole others into joining her on some of her test missions.

Frances’ extraordinary story provides an eye-opening insight into the myriad ways women played an active role in the war effort, sometimes at the cutting edge of innovation and development.

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Interviewed by:
Martin Bisiker
Reviewed by:
Caroline Barratt

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A veteran interview with

Frances McLaren

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Frances has an amazing story to share. She worked for the Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment which famously developed the bouncing bomb

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MLA Style:
McLaren, Frances. A Veteran Interview with Frances McLaren. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, 19 Apr. 2011 https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/frances-mclaren/. Accessed 17 Jul. 2026.
APA Style:
McLaren, F. (2011, April 19). A Veteran Interview with Frances McLaren [Interview by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee. Retrieved July 17, 2026, from https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/frances-mclaren/
Chicago Style:
McLaren, Frances. 2011. A Veteran Interview with Frances McLaren. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, April 19. Accessed July 17, 2026. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/frances-mclaren/
Harvard Style:
McLaren, F. (2011). A Veteran Interview with Frances McLaren. [Interviewed by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee, 19 April. Available at https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/frances-mclaren/ (Accessed: 17 July 2026)
Vancouver Style:
McLaren, F. A Veteran Interview with Frances McLaren [Internet]. Interview by M. Bisiker. Legasee; 2011 Apr 19 [cited 2026 Jul 17]. Available from: https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/frances-mclaren/
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