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A veteran interview with

Esther Hayes

Esther Hayes is the current serving Bandmaster at HM Forces. She’s come a long way and battled through some tough times.

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About Esther Hayes

By the age of 14, Esther Hayes was approaching Grade 8 standard on the flute and piano. Three years in the band of the TA led her to pursue a full-time military musician career, and after completing basic training at ATR Winchester she spent her first year at Kneller Hall.

Esther shares memories from her subsequent assignment to the Band of the Royal Corps of Signals, followed by a return to Kneller Hall for three more gruelling years of hard work to become a bandmaster. She went on to make history as the first female bandmaster of the Paras, and she talks about her experience of what was then a heavily male-dominated environment.

After several years with the Paras, Esther returned to Kneller Hall, spending a couple of years in post as a Training Design Warrant Officer before joining the Household Cavalry and further developing her skills by learning to ride a horse whilst playing the flute. She goes on to talk about an operational role in Afghanistan, a stint in the Band of the Queen’s Division, and another return to Kneller Hall, this time to facilitate the training of the student bandmasters joining the ranks: a full-circle moment, but by no means the end of her incredible career.

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Interviewed by:
Martin Bisiker
Reviewed by:
Caroline Barratt
Transcribed by:
Jake Woods

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A veteran interview with

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Esther Hayes is the current serving Bandmaster at HM Forces. She’s come a long way and battled through some tough times.

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Hayes, Esther. A Veteran Interview with Esther Hayes. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, n.d. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/esther-hayes/. Accessed 10 Sep. 2026.
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Hayes, E. (n.d.). A Veteran Interview with Esther Hayes [Interview by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee. Retrieved September 10, 2026, from https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/esther-hayes/
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Hayes, Esther. n.d.. A Veteran Interview with Esther Hayes. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee. Accessed September 10, 2026. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/esther-hayes/
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Hayes, E. (n.d.). A Veteran Interview with Esther Hayes. [Interviewed by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee. Available at https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/esther-hayes/ (Accessed: 10 September 2026)
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Hayes, E. A Veteran Interview with Esther Hayes [Internet]. Interview by M. Bisiker. Legasee; n.d. [cited 2026 Sep 10]. Available from: https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/esther-hayes/
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