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A veteran interview with

Dorothy Apps

Dorothy Apps was a musician in the WRAC.

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About Dorothy Apps

In this interview Dorothy recalls her time as a member of the WRAC band, and begins her story by sharing her experience of growing up during the Second World War.

Dorothy wanted to join the Royal Signals but was sent to audition for the WRAC band at Guildford after they found out she was a talented cornet player. She has fond memories of playing with the band and describes the range of music they would play. Dorothy toured overseas, played for British radio and TV, and performed at parades. She remembers the frightening experience of travelling through Berlin, which was occupied by Russia at the time, and seeing Hitler’s bunker which had only recently been blown up. Dorothy also describes Checkpoint Charlie, Spandau Prison and blacked out trains.

Reflecting on the WRAC, Dorothy thoroughly enjoyed her time with the band but left to pursue a more independent career.

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Interviewed by:
Martin Bisiker
Reviewed by:
Evie Painter
Transcribed by:
Amelia Bolton

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Apps, Dorothy. A Veteran Interview with Dorothy Apps. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, 2 Oct. 2024 https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/dorothy-apps/. Accessed 16 May. 2025.
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Apps, D. (2024, October 2). A Veteran Interview with Dorothy Apps [Interview by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee. Retrieved May 16, 2025, from https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/dorothy-apps/
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Apps, Dorothy. 2024. A Veteran Interview with Dorothy Apps. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, October 2. Accessed May 16, 2025. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/dorothy-apps/
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Apps, D. (2024). A Veteran Interview with Dorothy Apps. [Interviewed by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee, 2 October. Available at https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/dorothy-apps/ (Accessed: 16 May 2025)
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Apps, D. A Veteran Interview with Dorothy Apps [Internet]. Interview by M. Bisiker. Legasee; 2024 Oct 2 [cited 2025 May 16]. Available from: https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/dorothy-apps/
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