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A veteran interview with

Ali Brown

Ali Brown joined the army in 1984 and rose to the rank of Colonel. She was in the first female intake at Sandhurst College and subsequently saw action in Iraq and the Balkans.

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About Ali Brown

From a young age Ali knew she wanted to join the army, and was part of the new 1984 revolution of women that went straight to training at Sandhurst Royal Military Academy.

Ali describes the developments in training, such as compulsory weapon exercises and more intensive physical fitness. She was posted to 10 Company Aldershot where she took on administrative roles in welfare and career management. Ali was then taken to the Royal Green Jackets, then the Light Division Depot at Winchester. She describes this as the point in which her ambition for a military career took over and she began to dedicate herself entirely to the army. From here she was posted to the NATO camp in Sennelager, the Grenadier Guards, and Hohne for gunnery training where she began to understand Soviet tactics in the Cold War.

When the Gulf war broke out in 1990 Ali knew that the WRAC was coming to an end. She was initially told that as a member of the WRAC she could not go to the Gulf, but she was grateful that the orders changed. In her interview she gives an incredible description of her experiences on ground operation. Ali continued to serve with the Adjutant General Corps and left as a full Colonel responsible for training across the whole of the army.

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Interviewed by:
Martin Bisiker
Reviewed by:
Evie Painter
Transcribed by:
Rachel Jennings

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MLA Style:
Brown, Ali. A Veteran Interview with Ali Brown. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, 17 Dec. 2014 https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/ali-brown/. Accessed 19 Apr. 2025.
APA Style:
Brown, A. (2014, December 17). A Veteran Interview with Ali Brown [Interview by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee. Retrieved April 19, 2025, from https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/ali-brown/
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Brown, Ali. 2014. A Veteran Interview with Ali Brown. Interview by Martin Bisiker. Legasee, December 17. Accessed April 19, 2025. https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/ali-brown/
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Brown, A. (2014). A Veteran Interview with Ali Brown. [Interviewed by Martin Bisiker]. Legasee, 17 December. Available at https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/ali-brown/ (Accessed: 19 April 2025)
Vancouver Style:
Brown, A. A Veteran Interview with Ali Brown [Internet]. Interview by M. Bisiker. Legasee; 2014 Dec 17 [cited 2025 Apr 19]. Available from: https://www.legasee.org.uk/veteran/ali-brown/
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