Our Secret WW2 (1939–1945)

Beyond the front lines, Britain waged a secret war of espionage, sabotage, and deception during WWII. This project captures the experiences of those involved in covert operations, including intelligence officers, codebreakers, and agents of the Special Operations Executive (SOE).

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An interview with

Irene Bellamy

Irene Bellamy provides an entertaining and detailed account of her service in the Wrens.  Before...

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Joyce Aylard

Joyce Aylard provides a detailed and fascinating account of her time working at a Bletchley...

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Hugh Verity

Hugh Verity flew covert cross-channel operations from a top secret RAF base on Britain’s south...

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An interview with

Jean Argles

Jean Argles worked as a Cipher Operator in the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry (FANY). In...

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Patricia Davies

Patricia Davies  trained as a Special Duties Linguist and was posted to the secret 'Y'...

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Arthur Staggs

Arthur Staggs was a Wireless operator of F Section ‘Farmer’ circuit in SOE. He was...

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Joan Nicholls

Joan Nicolls gives a thoroughly interesting account of her time in the ATS where she...

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Margaret Jackson

Margaret Jackson was PA to Major-General Sir Colin Gubbins who, prior to becoming SOE’s Director...

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John Sharp

The son of a Scotland Yard Detective, John Sharp originally joined the Royal Armoured Corps....

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Michel Bourbon-Parme 

Prince Michel de Bourbon-Parme grew up in France and Denmark and at the outbreak of...

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Mildred Schutz

Mildred Schutz was in a reserved occupation when she joined the FANY in 1941. Initially...

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Tommy Thomas

Flying Of?cer J.A. ‘Tommy’ Thomas initially trained in 1941/2 as a winch operator on Fairy...

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About Our Secret WW2 (1939–1945)

During World War II, secrecy was essential. Britain’s intelligence agencies, including MI5, MI6, and the Special Operations Executive (SOE) were crucial in undermining enemy operations and supporting resistance efforts across occupied Europe. Their covert activities, from sabotage to codebreaking at Bletchley Park, were vital to the war effort but remained hidden for many years under the Official Secrets Act.

The Secret War project sheds light on these stories through a collection of 60 interviews conducted by Martyn Cox, alongside 10 newly recorded interviews with veterans who participated in Britain’s covert operations. The veterans, ranging from administrative staff to field agents operating in enemy-occupied Europe, offer a unique insight into the wartime efforts that remain largely hidden from public knowledge.

As well as being part of Legasee’s growing archive, the project’s interviews are preserved at the University of Sussex, ensuring that their stories can be shared with future generations.

In 2016, the project engaged with students from St Marylebone C of E School, providing them with an opportunity to learn about and contribute to preserving this critical part of history. The students gained first-hand experience with oral history techniques and played a vital role in making the veterans’ voices heard.

A temporary exhibition was launched, offering visitors a chance to explore the history of the SOE through the veterans’ own accounts. The success of the exhibition sparked an innovative idea to develop a walking tour app around London, highlighting key locations significant to the SOE’s work during the war.

The Secret War project was made possible by funding from the Heritage Lottery Fund, allowing us to preserve and share these invaluable personal histories.

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An interview with

Irene Bellamy

An entertaining and detailed account of a WWII Wren’s service in England, France and Germany.

When war broke out, 20-year-old Irene Bellamy was evacuated from Bristol to Chipping Sodbury, where she worked for a time as secretary to well-known aeroplane designer Basil Henderson. Although she found the job interesting, she was ambitious and determined to join the WRNS, which she managed to do despite already working in a reserved occupation. After training in Leeds, Irene was sent to Chatham to work as an admin officer before she successfully applied for a vacancy with ANCXF/SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force) which took her to Eisenhower’s HQ in Bushy Park. There she began working for Admiral Parry, with whom she later transferred to France then Germany. Irene shares fascinating details about her life and work throughout her service, including the build-up to D-Day and its aftermath, and the end of the war which she saw celebrated around the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin. She is rightly proud of her military career and was awarded the British Empire Medal in recognition of her hard work and significant contribution to the war effort.
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Martin Bisiker
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Joyce Aylard

A World War II Wren provides a fascinating insight into her role as a Turing Bombe operator at Bletchley Park.

When war broke out, 14-year-old Joy Aylard was evacuated to the countryside for two happy years, before leaving school and returning to London to study at college until she was old enough to join up. As soon as she could, she joined the WRNS and was almost immediately sent to Bletchley Park’s Eastcote Outstation. Joy describes in detail the top-secret work involved in operating the Bombe machines to decipher German Enigma messages, remembering the boost to morale that came when successful results of their codebreaking efforts were filtered back to them. Reflecting on the intense secrecy surrounding the work, Joy explains that everyone just got used to not talking about what they were doing; not even Joy’s father knew what her job entailed! Joy’s reflections on her time during the war allow us a vivid glimpse into life behind the walls at Bletchley Park, and the technical skill, dedication and discretion of all who worked there and played such a pivotal role in the Allied war effort.
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An interview with

Hugh Verity

Hugh Verity, an RAF and squadron pilot working with the SOE to carry out missions to France

Hugh Verity, an RAF fighter pilot and later a squadron pilot worked with the Special Operations Executive (SOE), carrying out missions to France. Flying the Westland Lysander, he completed 24 successful operations and 5 more in the Lockheed Hudson. Hugh’s work was vital to the war effort, involving the secret transportation of agents into France and back to the UK. When asked about memorable experiences, Hugh explained he made it his business to not make any. He recalls harrowing stories of his predecessors, one ambushed on the ground in Belgium. But while German forces remained the obvious threat, Hugh tells us that his greatest adversaries as a pilot were fog and mud. The elements made landing on fields extremely difficult and dangerous. Some pilots had no choice to leave their aircraft’s which had sank into the ground. Hugh does recall one significantly tumultuous journey due to fog. Hugh proudly covers his time in the war, talking of the ability of the Lysander, weather challenges, and meeting secret agents he had previously piloted during the war. Hugh’s story captures the intense, clandestine work of RAF pilots working to insert and extract agents in France. For his military efforts Hugh was recognised and decorated for gallantry five times.
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An interview with

Jean Argles

Jean worked as a Cipher Operator in the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry (FANY), serving in WW2

At only 16 years old, Jean Argles felt a calling to serve in the army. By 18, she found herself in London, interviewing for the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry (FANY). A critical question was asked in the interview: “Do you do crosswords?” A test of Jean’s aptitude for critical code and cipher work during wartime. With her answer, Jean entered a world of secrecy, decoding messages in operations that took her over the globe. After carrying out her training on Baker Street, she learned of opportunities overseas. Jean’s work took her from London to Egypt, working on the banks of the Nile. She carried out work to code messages for undercover agents in Greece and the Balkans, and also recalls fond memories of exploration in Egypt: nightclubs, horse-riding and visiting the Pyramids. Following this, she volunteered for a new assignment in Italy. Stationed in a small fishing village, Jean supported resistance members, encoding vital messages. When the German army finally surrendered, Jean remained in Italy until September before returning to the UK. Reflecting on her time with the FANYs, she describes it as the most transformative experience of her life. It offered her freedom, confidence, and a sense of purpose. Jean’s story is a testament to the unique opportunities the war presented to women at a time when their roles were otherwise limited. For Jean, the FANYs weren’t only about service, they were a gateway to adventure and independence.
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Martin Bisiker
An interview with

Patricia Davies

Special Duties linguist in the WRNS listens for German codes

Despite recurring bouts of Bovine TB contracted from her uncle's cows, Patricia Davies passed a fitness test to join the Women's Royal Navy Service [WRN - AKA the Wrens] in 1942. She was 19 and was sent to Southmead House in Wimbledon to develop her linguistic skills. She benefitted from some schooling with German refugees. She recalls that the Royal Navy repurposed various buildings for optimal radio coverage, including Scarborough racecourse. Patricia's work, detailed from her base at a Lyme Regis golf club, involved intercepting German radio traffic. Though not the most thrilling location, she fondly recalls some enjoyable moments. Her next post was at Abbots Cliff near Dover, a busier station closer to enemy lines. Patricia vividly remembers the buildup to D-Day and the moment she learned of the second front's opening. Two weeks later, she turned 21, reflecting on the period's innocence. The war's end was bittersweet for Patricia. While it was a time of great celebration, her father remained a POW in the Far East, with little information about his condition. Thankfully, he survived, allowing the family to move forward and Patricia to pursue a career in television. Meeting both Patricia and her sister Jean Argles was a privilege.
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Martin Bisiker
An interview with

Arthur Staggs

A determined and resilient wireless operator in the Special Operations Executive (SOE) who worked in enemy-occupied France to sabotage the German war effort.

Arthur Staggs shares the remarkable story of his time working as a wireless operator for the Special Operations Executive (SOE) in enemy-occupied France. Fluent in the local patois of Roubaix, Arthur was parachuted into France in 1942. He recounts the ‘physical challenge’ of the extensive training, and the SOE ‘Farmer’ circuit’s work alongside local resistance movements around Lille to sabotage railways and industrial targets. He tells how his ‘nerve’ got him out of some dangerous situations, including bribing customs inspectors and chatting with a German officer to deflect police attention. In late 1943 his luck ran out, and he was imprisoned and interrogated by the Gestapo. He relays his determination not to talk, and how, upon his release, the local Gestapo chief joked that they had ‘mistakenly’ believed he was an ‘English parachutist’! His language skills had saved him. Keen to resume work, Arthur joined the French Resistance. Known as Capitaine Bébert, he led operations to sabotage V-1 rockets destined for London, and worked on missions that unbeknown to him paved the way for the D-Day landings. Arthur’s story tells of lost friends, and the strain of clandestinity, but ultimately it is one of sheer determination to do whatever he could to disrupt the German war effort, and defend his country.
An interview with

Joan Nicholls

With warmth, wit and empathy, Joan Nicholls recounts her recruitment and time working for the Y-Service in the ATS.

Joan Nicholls left school at only fourteen and concealed her age to enlist in the ATS. After undergoing rigorous testing and training at Fenham Barracks and Trowbridge, she arrived at Beaumanor Hall in March 1942. Joan describes the design and operation of the Beaumanor Y-Station and its significance to the Ultra cryptography project. She listened to and recorded German Morse transmissions, which were relayed to Station X (Bletchley Park) for decoding. Joan followed General Erwin Rommel throughout North Africa until the pivotal battle of El-Alamein, while catching snippets of other transmissions from Nazi Concentration Camps and the aftermath of D-Day. She describes developing a familiarity and respect for the German transmitters and the cat-and-mouse games of chasing them through different frequencies. Throughout the interview, Joan emphasises the importance of keeping her role a secret, even from those closest to her. It is only decades later that the Y-Service's efforts and sacrifices are publicly acknowledged. Unfortunately, she was never able to tell her father the true nature of her work.
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An interview with

Margaret Jackson

Margaret Jackson was a civilian secretary who joined SOE in December 1940, becoming PA to Director of Operations, Major-General Sir Colin Gubbins.

Margaret Jackson had an international outlook on life, having been brought up in Argentina and completed a modern languages degree. She initially worked for Chatham House then joined the War Office in MI(R) in Paris under Colonel Gubbins, liaising with the Czechs and Poles. After evacuation from St Malo, she moved briefly to Coleshilll House where Colonel Gubbins was raising secret companies to form a resistance in case of invasion, and in December 1940 to Baker Street when Gubbins became head of SOE. As someone who was involved with SOE for virtually its whole existence, Margaret Jackson offers a fascinating insight into the unseen world of secretarial support which enabled SOE, and other organisations, to function. She talks extensively about the key officers involved, the culture of secrecy that was taken for granted, the inter-service politics of setting up SOE, relations with de Gaulle and the highest levels of access to information that secretaries enjoyed.
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An interview with

John Sharp

John joined the army and volunteered for SOE. He parachuted into occupied France three days after D-Day and later parachuted into Japanese occupied Burma.

John volunteered for the RAF just before the start of WW2, but failed the vision test and instead joined the Army. He was assigned to the armoured corps and soon after he volunteered for Special Operations Executive. At the time parachuting was not mentioned and John thinks that if it had been he would not have volunteered! During training he specialised in Signals and learned unarmed combat and parachuting, which he was not too keen on. He was scheduled to parachute into France before D-Day but the mission was aborted at the last minute. Instead they dropped after D-Day, from a Short Stirling bomber. Due to a storm the pilot could not find the drop zone but they parachuted anyway. Three days later they met their French resistance contacts near Dijon. Here they received knowledge of a German troop train passing through. John contacted HQ and the information was passed to the RAF who bombed it. During this time he could see German radio detector vans trying to find their precise location. Later he and the Resistance attacked troops guarding Marshall Petain, the Vichy collaborator, as he tried to get to Switzerland. During this time the British stayed in uniform to avoid execution if captured by the enemy. On his return to Britain he was sent to jungle training school and then parachuted into Burma and during this period he was shelled by ‘friendly fire’. His unit fought the Japanese and they eventually met up with the British 14th Army.
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An interview with

Michel Bourbon-Parme 

Michel recalls his perilous experiences as a Jedburgh in the Office of Strategic Services, aiding the resistance movement from behind enemy lines

Michel Bourbon-Parme was the son of Prince René of Bourbon-Parma and Princess Margaret of Denmark and grew up in Paris. With the help of the French counsel, he joined the American Army at Fort Benning Georgia and became a second lieutenant. Michel recalls being asked to join the OSS (Office of Strategic Services) by Bill Casey (who later would become the head of the CIA) and travelling to Washington to an intelligence agency to learn how to use specialist equipment. After three weeks training, he was sent to Milton Hall in England and became part of Operation Jedburgh, an allied special operations group. He was parachuted into occupied France after partnering with another Jedburgh named Tommy Macpherson, forming the team named Quinine. He was the youngest Jedburgh at age seventeen and a half. He joined with the Maquis, who were part of the French resistance to stop the Das Reich division and blew up the Eiffel bridge (made by famed architect Gustave Eiffel) to slow them down. He then stayed behind enemy lines for three months to sabotage the Germans. Michel reflects on the being among the first to liberate his countries forces, the politics of the British, French and American’s working together, and the legacy of important achievements by the Jedburgh’s he was proud to be a part of.
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An interview with

Mildred Schutz

Mildred recalls her training as a FANY (First Aid Nursing Yeomanry) and the work she did for the resistance in Italy near the front line

Mildred Schultz recalls how she grew up on a farm and went to school in Walton-on-Thames. She attended a business college in Kingston and from there worked at a shipping company in Cobham. Even though her job was protected, she volunteered and joined the Inter-Services Research Bureau. She explains how she went to work at S.O.E. (Special Operations Executive) headquarters in Baker Street London, realising she was working for the resistance movement, reading and destroying reports. Asked if she would travel abroad, Mildred said ‘yes’ and undertook FANY (First Aid Nursing Yeomanry) training at Chicheley Hall in Bedfordshire. From here she was sent to Italy for further training on a boat and describes how they were pursued by U-boats, bombed and machine gunned. In Italy she became the PA to the man in charge of maps and equipment, and then worked as an assistant to the Admin Captain Amos. She recalls spending a snowy Christmas in Monopoli and then onto Siena to the Headquarters of Number 1 Special Force, taking a perilous jeep journey up a mountain road with boulders near the front-line with guns aimed at them. On a lighter note, Mildred remembers a makeshift Christmas service under a derelict chapel with many nationalities, some of whom had escaped from Prisoner of War camps, and also Germans who had escaped and given up, all singing carols together.
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An interview with

Tommy Thomas

From target towing, to covert missions with 161 Special Duties Squadron, a remarkable journey through RAF military service unfolds.

Determined to become an air gunner, Tommy Thomas began RAF service with General Duties. Assisting in the dangerous task of target towing for Spitfire training, he worked with Fairey Bombers and Lysanders. His hard work paid off; before age 19, he completed air gunner training and joined the 161 Squadron at RAF Tempsford. Initially serving on Halifax aircraft to drop supplies, Tommy was soon transferred to the squadron’s A Flight by Flight Commander Hugh Verity, who recognised his skill with Lysanders. Tommy flew 33 missions in Halifax, Hudson, Lysanders and, once, in a Stirling bomber. Whilst most missions were over France and Europe, some reached as far as North Africa. The most challenging were the night flights, navigating hostile territory by moonlight alone. He recounts fascinating details from his time with 161 Squadron, including mission preparations from RAF Tempsford and Tangmere, and techniques for retrieving mail bags from occupied territory using adapted Lysanders. Although Tommy claims he was “lucky,” his missions included two near-disasters, and he admits flights over the sea were the most unnerving—he always dreaded water. Following D-Day, Tommy took on new responsibilities helping with internees at RAF Tempsford. He concludes his story with a personal memory of his promotion to Flight Officer, which coincided with his father’s Red Cross return. Resolving to notify his mother, interned in a French camp, Tommy recounts a successful—and daring—effort to get a message to her, showing his courage and daring.  
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